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breaking-benjamin · Nov 12, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Well, as the title of this post says, in your opinion and experience, does Olias makes a good or decent MM?

I ask this because I've tried it, yesterday, and it wasn't really good one. I mean, I put him the complete MM build (golem, 2 minions skill, BotM, Verata's, Healing Area...), and he did nothing but raise 4-6 minions at most (he never raised more than 6, I swear) and then S-P-A-M the skill Healing Area. Yea, I did not see him using BotM or Verata's, although I put both before than Healing Area, on the skill bar.

Well, about the stats and such, they were fine. Soul Reaping at 10, Death magic maxed, and rest to Healing prayers.

Anyway, he wasn't a good MM, he couldn't raise more than 6 minions at a time, and I never saw him using BotM or Verata's to heal his minions, which is stupid and weird.

Anyone make him a good MM? could explain me how? or its not possible make a good MM with the shitty AI of this game.

Thanks

Urfin · Nov 12, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Olias is a godlike MM, the problem's in the build - it's both objectively suboptimal and bad for the AI because of heal skill usage priorities

Try this one for something completely different

kenichiukiya · Nov 12, 2006, 07:31 AM // 07:31

I dunno but the max number of minions he can raise depends on the death magic stats(check the description). u maxed the death magic so i assume it's at 12. He should be able to raise 8 minions max with 12 DM.

My Olias makes a decent MM. he doesn't even need to bring any healing skills except for BotM and Verata's(mebbe cuz i always bring 2 monk heroes or henchies in my team). If i remember correct i gave him Golem, fiend, horror, BotM, Verata's, Death Nova, BR and Rebirth. He does everything nicely.

So why not try leaving out the healing spells and put the stats into something else if possible. and see if he can raise 10 minions at 16 death magic

Urfin · Nov 12, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Yes he can have 10, and he does it with style

Frankly, AI is a better MM than 90% of players I've seen, simply because of reflexes in noting and exploiting corpses. He will raise new ones when he's at 10 too, so the engine works perfectly.

akh · Nov 12, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Olias is great MM but he needs to get proper build. Yes, he can be excellent interrupter with /me and he can use mark of pain synergy well. The problem is that if you confuse his AI with too many tasks he forget what his primary job is

Mine is set:

Death-Soul-Blood: 16-10-10

Skillbar: Bone Fiend, Shambling Horror, BotM, Death Nova, OoB, Dark Bond, Sig of Lost Souls, Res Sig

'guard' mode

FyrFytr998 · Nov 12, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I agree. If Olias is set up right. He is a monster to deal with. I tried my normal MM build I use as a template and he had troubles. I switched over to Urfins build and was just flabbergasted at how badass Olias was. Easliy had 9/10 Minions at all times after battles.

My only question is about Orders. Does it work for me if I'm using a staff as a weapon? Either way Olias is Goot at MMing.

Urfin · Nov 12, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

No, staves do elemental damage, Orders are for physical. Basically, OoP may not be the best uber-effective choice to burn all that minion engine energy on, but it's no extra attribute cost in this build and works wonderfully with physical parties, which own PVE. Although [skill=text]Searing Flames[/skill] + [skill=text]Glowing Gaze[/skill] now spoil the picture a bit

And the credit for the build goes to Ensign, not me

I just made a hero with it

Zinger314 · Nov 12, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

I'll post the ultimate MM Hero build later today, in which I've done extensive testing.

Urfin · Nov 13, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Good, yes, but not ultimate

harbingerofdoom · Nov 19, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

I am running myself as death/curses & Olias as MM.

I am running Life Siphon, Parasitic Bond, Insidious Parasite, Vampiric Gaze, Suffering, Plague Sending, Signet of Agony and Faintheartedness
Blood Magic 20
Curses 20
Soul Reaping 3

For Olias I have him set up with Animate Bone Fiend, Animate Bone Horror, Animate Flesh Golam, Animate Vampiric Horror, Soul Feast, Death Nova, Well of Suffering and Verata's Aura.
Death Magic 20
Soul Reaping 20

I dont have any really great runes to speak of at the moment because I dont really have the armor that I want... but I have not really had a lot of problems with this combo when combined with a good Mo and W...

ZenRgy · Nov 19, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by harbingerofdoom

I am running myself as death/curses & Olias as MM.

I am running Life Siphon, Parasitic Bond, Insidious Parasite, Vampiric Gaze, Suffering, Plague Sending, Signet of Agony and Faintheartedness
Blood Magic 20
Curses 20
Soul Reaping 3

For Olias I have him set up with Animate Bone Fiend, Animate Bone Horror, Animate Flesh Golam, Animate Vampiric Horror, Soul Feast, Death Nova, Well of Suffering and Verata's Aura.
Death Magic 20
Soul Reaping 20

I dont have any really great runes to speak of at the moment because I dont really have the armor that I want... but I have not really had a lot of problems with this combo when combined with a good Mo and W...

How the hell do you get 20 in an attribute... Also running only 3 soul reaping is just... wrong.

Poison Ivy · Nov 19, 2006, 07:33 AM // 07:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by harbingerofdoom

I am running myself as death/curses & Olias as MM.

I am running Life Siphon, Parasitic Bond, Insidious Parasite, Vampiric Gaze, Suffering, Plague Sending, Signet of Agony and Faintheartedness
Blood Magic 20
Curses 20
Soul Reaping 3

For Olias I have him set up with Animate Bone Fiend, Animate Bone Horror, Animate Flesh Golam, Animate Vampiric Horror, Soul Feast, Death Nova, Well of Suffering and Verata's Aura.
Death Magic 20
Soul Reaping 20

I dont have any really great runes to speak of at the moment because I dont really have the armor that I want... but I have not really had a lot of problems with this combo when combined with a good Mo and W...

No offence, but those are easily the WORST Necro builds I have ever seen.

Francis Crawford · Nov 19, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

How smart is Olias about using Death Nova and Tainted?

Cow Tale · Nov 19, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

nice i want my attributes all at 20 also

Francis Crawford · Nov 19, 2006, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cow Tale

nice i want my attributes all at 20 also

Think about it guys; it's obvious what he meant.

And since people don't necessarily invest in sup runes for their heroes, it actually makes sense to express things in terms of attribute points rather than actual attribute levels.

twentynine · Nov 20, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francis Crawford

How smart is Olias about using Death Nova and Tainted?

Don't know about Tainted, but I find that Olias is horrible with Death Nova. Not only put it on the minions, but he would put it on me when I go below 50% hp or so. I mean damnit, I'm supposed to tank for my group, not be a minion bomb for Olias!

I didn't really look, but I'm pretty sure he was casting it on other group members as well.